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Bad Headline Writers Rejoice: Yous Mbao Leaves Marquette.

The possibilities for punny headlines are almost limitless:

WE BARELY KNEW YOUS.

I WILL REMEMBER YOUS.

WHAT'S THE YOUS? MBAO GONE.

YOUS SAYS GOOD-BYE, GARDNER SAYS HELLO.

YOUS-LESS: MBAO MOVES ON.

Anyway ...

Just when I learned to spell his first name, Youssoupha Mbao has announced that he's transferring from Marquette.  His career stats:

Games played: 10
Total minutes:
60
Total points: 1
Total rebounds: 7
Total fouls: 13
Minutes at the point of that ridiculous 1-3-1 trap zone that Coach Buzz felt compelled to try: Too many
Number of exasperated, "What the hell is Yous doing?!?!" texts sent during the ten games in which he played: 25.  And those are just mine.

But the most important number, in my mind, is five: Yous Mbao is the fifth sixth player to transfer/quit/be forced off the team on Coach Buzz's watch, following Trevor Mbakwe, Pat Hazel, Brett Roseboro, and Mo Acker (who was cut last summer, then asked to rejoin the team after Roseboro quit).  [EDIT: somehow, I completely forgot about Jeronne Maymon.  On the bright side, that means that I've successfully obliterated any trace of TIMMAY! from my memory.  So I've got that going for me.]

Listen, I know that college sports is a business, and, more and more, it's becoming an ugly business. And, granted, not all five of the Mbakwe-Hazel-Roseboro-Acker-Yous group can be counted as cuts or forced transfers.  Mbakwe, from all appearances, is just a knucklehead who's given to listening to very, very bad advice, and Roseboro couldn't hack it after a week of scrimmaging.  Those things happen.

The Hazel, Acker, and Mbao cases, on the other hand, don't sit well with me.  Hazel, of course, was never going to be a high major player, but I've never heard that he was a malcontent or didn't practice hard or anything like that.  He simply wasn't good enough, so he was shown the door.  Acker's situation has always rubbed me the wrong way; the "he needs to focus on his academics" line that Coach Buzz used as the reason for Mo being kicked off the team was patent horsecrap.  If Mo wasn't considered a high-major player, or if there were other reasons why he was asked to leave, then Coach Buzz should've released a terse "Mo's not with our team anymore.  We wish him the best in the future" and left it at that.  He didn't have to tell us the reason Acker was being kicked off the team, but he didn't have to lie to us, either.

And now there's Mbao, a kid who Coach Buzz moved heaven and earth to land and to get cleared for play.  For a team bereft of height, Mbao looked like a godsend.  But as soon as he stepped on the court, it became woefully obvious that Yous wouldn't be able to contribute this year, and that it was going to take a ton of work to transform him into a ten- to fifteen-minute-per-game player next year.  He was too raw, too awkward, too thin, too unsure of what to do on a basketball court. 

Maybe those things could have been overcome, and maybe Yous would have developed into an Ousmane Barro-type in a couple of years.  But we'll never know, and I sure hope the reason isn't that somebody better -- in this case, Davante Gardner -- came along.

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Edited to include Maymon in the list of transfers.

That’s a major whiff on my part. Yikes.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly Rubes

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by Warrior Brad on May 18, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Alright Buzz hater...

1. Rumors were swirling about Mbakwe’s happiness or lack there of before Crean even left for Indiana. He has issues at home that are far too distracting for him to concentrate on D1 basketball and “academics”, so Mbakwe’s departure was inevitable. Further, there is speculation that he has resently requested release from his committment at Univ of Minn. Yikes!
2. Acker – Do you honestly think that Mo was asked to leave the team when we had trouble fielding enough players to conduct a practice? Really? Even if Mo were that bad, which he isn’t, he’s a competent body to use in practice and if he isn’t worthy of PT, Buzz can simply leave him on the bench. We will never know how Mo’s academic situation was, but I for one trust Buzz when he says that’s the issue. Buzz is all about work ethic both on the court and in the classroom, so I can see him telling guys they need to put more time in either on the court or in the classroom if they want their “free ride” scholarship.
3. Hazel – Forced out? Hazel wasn’t talented enough to compete with the likes of Lazar and Jimmy, or the rest of the Big East forwards for that matter. As is Buzz’s nature, he is strikingly honest and probably bluntly tells Pat that he isn’t talented enough to see the court. So, what likely was Pat’s decision to leave so he could seek greener pastures, was negatively labeled as a “force out” by Buzz. I liken this to this craptastic philosophy that ALL kids should see the field in little league because it’s PC. Screw that! It’s a dog eat dog world. If you’re not good enough….you don’t play…..period. This is especially true today where college sports are raking in money hand over fist. In order to be relevant, you need to win. That being said, no sense wasting an EXTREMELY valuable scholarship on players that 1) aren’t talented enough or 2) not willing to put forth the proper effort. I think the last 2 seasons have epitomized how valuable depth is when you’re faced with a handful of unfortunate injuries. A team is dealt 13 scholarship opportunities, 2-3 of which should automatically be chalked up to losses due to injuries and/or lack of effort, thus leaving a coach roughly 10 to play with. He needs to make every one of those count, as his livelihood depends on it. I think it’s best for both parties that the coach is brutally honest with the players, thus allowing them to either step up or step out. I lump the Mbao situation into what Hazel went through.
4. Maymon – I think we can all agree that it wasn’t the Maymon/Buzz relationship that went sour. I’ll lump this one with Mbakwe’s situation.

by Mr.McCarter on May 18, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

1) When did I say that Mbakwe leaving could be blamed on Buzz? I specifically listed that one as “these things happen.”

2)

We will never know how Mo’s academic situation was, but I for one trust Buzz when he says that’s the issue.

You are the first and only person I’ve heard who believes that Mo’s situation was REALLY about academics.

3) There is no question Hazel was forced out. And this line:


That being said, no sense wasting an EXTREMELY valuable scholarship on players that 1) aren’t talented enough or 2) not willing to put forth the proper effort.

… is WAY off, in my opinion. It’s one thing if you’re not willing to work. If that’s the case, good luck and God bless. But, like I said, there wasn’t any talk that Hazel wasn’t putting forth effort. It was simply decided: he’s not good enough. I know that’s the reality in college sports. That doesn’t mean I have to like it.

4) Buzz gets a black mark for recruiting Maymon in the first place, when there was a neon sign flashing “THIS WILL END BADLY” from the moment he inked his letter of intent.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

" But, like I said, there wasn’t any talk that Hazel wasn’t putting forth effort"

And how will we ever know? Practices aren’t open to the public, so everything that we assume is mere speculation unless a coach and/or player comes out and verifies it.

Regarding Maymon, maybe Buzz thought that once he got to school his dad would be out of the picture more. From my perspective, Jeronne seemed like a likeable, hard working, and motivated kid. That was verified even after he transferred considering what Jeronne, Buzz, and the other players said about each other (Jeronne’s dad excluded of course).

by Mr.McCarter on May 18, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You say 5

I say 3: Hazel, Roseboro and Yous. Lumping Mo into the other 3 is disingenuous. His circumstances were completely different. Mbakwe doesn’t count either as he had one foot out the door before Crean even left. Maymon doesn’t count, as his dad was/is just flat out delusional.

Hazel – Was a Crean recruit, figured he give Buzz a chance. Realized he wasn’t going to get playing time, decided to transfer. And after thinking about it even more, I don’t even count that one. We’re down to two.

Roseboro – Buzz took a chance on the kid and made a mistake. Roseboro realized he couldn’t cut it, missed home, sick family. Whatever. At MU you’re gonna have to take a chance at some recruits.

Yous – Desperate for a big man, Buzz took a chance. From all accounts, loved by his teammates and coaches. it didn’t work out. Yous still thinks he can play and wants to transfer. For all we know, Yous could have told Buzz after the NCAA tournament that he wanted to go elsewhere. The fact is, more and more kids toward the end of the bench, want playing time. So most kids end going closer to home and too a smaller school.

Things that also need to be considered. When Crean left we also lost Nick Williams and Taylor adding to the roster shake-ups. Buzz needed to fill the roster with bodies and took a chance on some long shots.

As time goes on, I hope we’ll see less and less of the transfers, we’ll see.

by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on May 18, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with.....

everything here. The program was still unstable the first 1-2 years after his hiring. I predict things will smooth out with each successive year.

Headline: Former McDonald All-Americans and highly touted recruits, the Wear twins, transferred from North Carolina. What is the deal with Roy Williams? Something must be going on behind closed doors…

by Mr.McCarter on May 18, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I said in response to Freeway:

Maymon DOES count as a strike against Buzz. At the very least, your “Buzz took a chance and made a mistake” logic applies just as forcefully to Maymon as it does to Yous and Roseboro.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Further...

What are the statistics regarding general students that can’t hack 1 semester in college? I would guess 5-10% either fail out or simply can’t adjust to the lifestyle. That said, shouldn’t this number be applied to athletes as well?

by Mr.McCarter on May 18, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

If Mbao and Hazel and Roseboro didn't transfer to other schools, maybe.

But they’re going to continue to play and attend school. They’re not dropping out because they couldn’t “handle the lifestyle” and going to work at an Arby’s.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

right....

and so are other students that transfer to other universities or community colleges closer to home. Some people just aren’t comfortable when they get out of their element.

by Mr.McCarter on May 18, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yawn....

Saw this one coming from light years away.

I wish Mbao the best and I hope gets himself a good education and has great time as a gangly, uncoordinated shot-blocker on some team in the Atlantic Sun. The fact is that he really isn’t that good at basketball. So I’m not going to lose any sleep if Buzz sat him down, assessed his situation with him reasonably, laid out the path that his career at MU would probably follow (ie. lots of time on the pine), and left it up to him. He read the writing on the wall and opted to get while the getting was good. I don’t think there’s any shame in saying “Look kid, here’s where you stand. If you’re ok with that, fine we’ll do the best we can for you here and see what happens. If you’d like to make a move, now’s the time.”

by Mr. Kensington on May 18, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

How does sitting the kid down, telling him he’s never going to play, no matter how hard he works, and then saying: “You’d probably play more if you went somewhere else” qualify as “leaving it up to him”? You couldn’t push him down the path any harder if you got a bulldozer.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not delusional

I’m not denying the “Look son” talk is code for “Look son, you gots to go because we found someone better”. It is. I know that. Everybody can see that, and making the claim that this is the same thing as a kid transferring because he’s homesick is just dumb.

That said, I don’t feel that Marquette is doing a disservice to Yous. He’s still going to play somewhere, get an education, and he’ll be fine. Hell, maybe the inspiration to stick it to MU will prompt him to become the next mid-major big man to turn himself into a lottery pick. Or maybe the fact that he speaks like 8 languages will lead him to become the tallest ever UN ambassador.

What I don’t like, and totally agree with Rubie on, is that the pattern that we see developing here is not good for the program. I’m not so much concerned with lippy Badger fans talkin’ noise. But I do worry about anyone else using the things that the Badger fan would say in recruiting against Marquette down the road. Why wouldn’t someone point to this when they know a kid is considering playing for Marquette? I know it’s largely born out of our desperation for a competent big man, but it makes us look bad and makes Buzz look bad. That concerns me far more than the “injustice” that we’ve allegedly perpetrated against a 19 year old kid. He’s gonna be just fine.

by Mr. Kensington on May 18, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the challenge was/is.....

Buzz first had to try and prevent the MU program from imploding after Crean’s departure, ie. attempt to keep committed recruits, fill the holes that initial recruits and other players left (Tyshawn Taylor, Nick Williams, Mbakwe, Christopherson), reverse/balance the trend of an overall smallish roster, eliminate the conception that MU is a “guards only” program, and eventually build a squad that captures his philosophy which is having a team that is deep, athletic, position flexibile, and above all, talented. To do this, he is going to attempt to recruit the very best players that fit his roster every year. He will do this regardless of how much talent he already has, ie. he will likely try to recruit top-notch guards in spite of the fact that we already have those positions filled for the next couple of seasons with ultra talented players in DJO, Buycks, Cadougan (top50 recruit), Blue (top30 recruit), Smith (100ish). Say for example a top 20 overall PG prospect committs for the class of ‘11…..does that mean Buzz is recruiting over Cadougan at the point? Many people would say yes…..Cadougan himself might think this. Every season (or just about every season), Buzz has to replace the players that left the program due to graduation. So what’s Buzz supposed to do……recruit low level prospects so he doesn’t hurt the feelings of other players/fans? In this case, I think that Buzz saw a number of prospects this spring that were available that he thought would make his team better. And he was making this obvious in spite of the fact that he didn’t have a scholarship available. So was he doing this simply because he wanted a better player, or did he see the writing on the wall about someone not being happy in Milwaukee at Marquette? This is something that we will never know for sure. I can see where everyone here is coming from, but I think that after only 2 seasons, it’s too early to jump to conclusions on what is going on behind closed doors. If this happens again next off season to a player that obviously isn’t ready (I have no clue who that might be at this point….EWill???), then I’ll start to jump on the bandwagon, but two times in the first two seasons (Hazel and Mbao, Maymon doesn’t count IMO) is too small of a sample size at this point.

by Mr.McCarter on May 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see

all the points. Something I keep coming back to in my mind is that there is something that can erase all of this. If we start winning and we have even just 1 or 2 big men that come in, make a difference, and stay, this will all be forgotten. Gardner comes in next year and plays better than a 5th grade girl and sticks around for another year, well that’s a start. By the end of year two he’s even better and comes back, even better. Imagine if he’s here for 4 years! Throw another competent (the definition of one of those is on a sliding scale of course) and it will help erase this turbulent time.

Of course this could all blow up when half the team leaves for some reason.

by Superstitious Bando on May 19, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

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