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Season Tickets: An Anonymous Eagle Investigative Report

Contrary to visual evidence, Jim Calhoun is allowed to keep his seat at UConn games.  Unless the NCAA says he can't be in the building, of course.

When Marquette's athletic department put the men's basketball season ticket holders through reseating back in June, the process made me wonder: Do any of our Big East brethren go through a similar process?  Only one way to find out: INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM!

Step 1: Checking Everyone's Websites

This was largely unsuccessful.  If other Big East schools are going through a reseating process of any kind, they're apparently keeping it between themselves and their season ticket holders or keeping it off their websites on a permanent basis.  The lone exception is Seton Hall.  Like Marquette, they reseat every other year.  Unlike Marquette, they have a policy to allow ticket holders to keep their exact same seats going forward.  It's called the Hallowed Hall program, and as long as you donate more than $1000 per seat per year, you are given right of first refusal on your seats before every reseating.  Considering SHU only uses "donations per seat" as the organizing factor for what order reseating proceeds and that $1000 is the third highest category, that's not a bad deal.  Then again, I'm curious how many people are donating $5000 per seat per year for the right to pick Seton Hall season tickets first.

Step 2: Asking Politely

So, with almost zero information in hand, I turned to people who would know better than I would: SBN Bloggers.  First up: South Florida and Ken DeCelles from Voodoo Five.  Ken doesn't have any reseating policy information, but it seems that's because USF doesn't reseat.  I'll let Ken explain:

With USF, you are grandfathered in to your yearly donation when you purchase season tickets. There's a reason most of the donor seats are empty in the lower bowl. A lot of people bought those seats back in the early 90's, but they have such great seats and only put in $500 a year they can't give them up and just don't show. If you move your seats, you move to that donation level. The people next to them who bought seats recently would have to pay a $2500 yearly donation a year for basically the same seats. Now the yearly donation also allows you to buy better football tickets, so that's why someone is shelling out $2500 on USF basketball.

Ken does point out that the Sun Dome is undergoing a facelift and things may change after that.  That brings us to Villanova and Chris Lane from The Nova Blog.  Villanova doesn't reseat because they have a waiting list for season tickets at the Pavilion:

You need to make a $500 donation PER TICKET to even stay on the waiting list (which is insanely long at this point). Then, once you by the grace of God get assigned a ticket (whatever's available), it's a continued $500 donation per ticket to keep your seat.

When new seats become available, you are notified according to how long you have been a season-ticket holder. You'll have the option to move up at the cost of that new seat.

No word on what the cost of that new seat is, as Nova doesn't even bother publishing it on their website.  I imagine it would be comparable to Marquette's pricing, given the $270 pricing on lower bowl tickets for last year's 8 game Wells Fargo Center only package.  Lastly, we move to Pitt and Anson Whaley from Cardiac Hill:

In order to be guaranteed the opportunity to buy tickets, you need to fork over an annual donation of $300. That will at least get you in the door, but it may not get you great seats. Your seats will depend on a variety of other factors in the priority point system. In addition, in order to get better seats (lower-level or suite-level), you need to meet a point-level. This is the thing that has personally turned me off. Because I haven't been a donor for many years (only three coming up), I rank near the bottom in points, so I can't even get better seats if I want to pay more for them.

You can also get in the door with a minimum $100 donation - this is what I did last year. After all of the $300-and up donors buy their tickets, anyone donating at least $100 can sneak in and buy tickets. These are, as you can imagine, the worst seats available. In a 12,500 arena, it's not as if you can't see, but we were literally in the last row all the way up in the corner behind one of the baskets.

At any rate, I'm told the longer you have tickets, the better seats you'll get. A friend does the $100 thing every year and has for several years now and after starting out with similar seats as I had, he's now close to the middle of the court - still in the uppers, but better seats.

A map showing the estimated priority points needed for each section in the Petersen Events Center can be found here.  I'm guessing the disclaimer on estimates is there because Pitt season ticket holders can go where ever they like in the building, just like Marquette ticket holders can.

That brings us to the end of any reseating information I was able to easily track down.  I could have given every athletic department a phone call, but I'm already on UWM's mailing list from buying tickets to the Marquette game in US Cellular Arena and would prefer not to get ticket solicitations from 15 more schools.

After the jump: Random odd ticket and attendance information I discovered while researching!  And don't forget to help determine Tim Higgins' new nickname!

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If you want to sit on the sidelines in the lower deck of a Big East arena for a full season, you'd generally better be ready to shell out between $420 (Syracuse) and $570 (Marquette and Notre Dame). Notable exceptions:

  • DePaul at $300, which is still overcharging for that dump.  That's not even getting into what a terrible facility the Allstate Arena is.
  • Louisville at TWO THOUSAND, FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A SEAT.  I am not making a word of that up.

Speaking of Syracuse, they have an interesting policy.  Every ticket in the lower deck and the temporary bleachers out on the football field costs $420, but they have a built in mandatory donation ranging from $675 to $205.  While this seems similar to what Marquette does, Syracuse openly advertises the price as the combined total, as seen in the earlier link.

Pitt has a Student Loyalty Program to determine who gets those high quality courtside seats in The Zoo.  Short version: You apply for tickets on a per game basis.  Tickets are issued based on Loyalty Points.  If you claim the ticket, you get 2 points for using it and lose 1 point if you don't.  I think this is the greatest thing ever.  I'd love to see Marquette implement something like this, especially if it means we can start avoiding things like this, or this, or this, or this, or this, or this, or this.

The following is presented without comment from the Notre Dame Athletics website:

If an individual, faculty/staff member, alumnus, company or other entity is found have sold or offered Notre Dame athletic tickets above face value, offered or sold tickets as part of a travel package, lodging or rental agreement or accomodations purchase, or when tickets have been sold via a ticket broker/agency who in turn resells the tickets for an amount greater than face value, they will be denied ticket privileges for a minimum period of 5 years. In addition, the individual will not receive the same seat location if/when the privilege is reinstated.

Of the 13 Big East teams that don't regularly split games between multiple arenas, 5 of them averaged less than the 64.5% of capacity that Syracuse parlays into the highest average attendance in the country for the 2010-11 season.  Those teams are South Florida (40.6%), DePaul (43.9%), Providence (53.7%), Cincinnati (55.7%), and Georgetown (62.5%).  Marquette propelled themselves to the 11th best average in the country with 82% of capacity, and Louisville justifies those $2500 tickets with 98.8% average capacity for their first season in the (snicker) KFC Yum! Center.

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Hey guys. Maybe I have some helpful information.

At first I wasn’t sure what you meant by Syracuse’s 64% capacity leading the nation in attendance, but actually that makes sense. The Carrier Dome seats about 34,000 and on average the attendance is probably about 22,000 (total guess, from the games I’ve been to), so that number has to be accurate. It just shocked me a percentage so low (if it is low for that sort of thing) led the nation.

Anyway, being a season ticket holder for Syracuse this season, I can tell you a few things about how season tickets work there.

I also payed the $420 dollars to keep the “seats” before paying the additional price for the tickets. However, my seats are in the second level, not the lower bowl. They aren’t in the third deck, which is the upper deck, but they are between that and the lower bowl you referred to in your post. They are still good seats, and in my opinion, well worth it.

At Syracuse, you typically pay for your “seating” depending on where you sit. No matter what, if you want to keep your “seats” you have to pay a certain amount and then you are billed for your tickets.

Also, in today’s ticket market that features stubhub and ticketmaster, purchasing season tickets is well worth it, especially for basketball. The cost of a ticket per game comes out to about $33 dollars a ticket (I have 2 seats) and that is not including the 2 exhibition games per year that are played at the Carrier Dome. They sell Big East game tickets for that price and then some. Plus, when you buy those you are sitting in the upper level, either at end or corner court (which is fine, I really don’t care as long as I’m there). So the price ahead of time for quality seats is well worth it. Not to mention, if there are games I can’t go to, tickets in my section usually fetch between $75-$125 apiece on ticket selling websites.

I don’t know if this helps at all, but I thought it was a very interesting post and I’d give a shot at giving you some information. Hope it helped some. Thanks.

SHASHASHAA!!!

by RustyShackleford on Aug 1, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Also.

I forgot to add: That $420 dollars is for both of the seats I hold. The map in the link is misleading for some reason. I sit in what would be “B preferred seating.” Anyways, what I mean is, I did not pay $420 dollars for each seat that I hold ( $840 dollars for 2 seats). I payed $420 for both seats.

SHASHASHAA!!!

by RustyShackleford on Aug 1, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did some more research.

I found out my seats were $420 for both because the seats are grandfathered. My fault. I hope all this rambling helped in some way. I will shut up now.

SHASHASHAA!!!

by RustyShackleford on Aug 1, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your rambling is always welcome here.

It’s still better than Rubie’s negativity.

:D

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 1, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bite me.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Aug 1, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clarification

The Carrier Dome lists capacity for basketball at 34,616. For 2010-11, Syracuse averaged 22,312 per home game, the best average attendance in the country. That’s 64.5% on average.

I picked out that Syracuse number out as a cutoff for comparisons because they draw a great number with only 64% capacity. If you can’t beat that percentage night in and night out, you have some serious attendance problems. As proof, I point out that no other Big East team is below 70% capacity on average.

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 1, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding the seats

I only looked at lower bowl seating across the conference, because upper bowl seating can get a little dicey as far as stadium designs go. From looking at the map for the Carrier Dome, I could tell that there were higher up seats at the $420 price, but it wasn’t worth mentioning, as I was only focusing on lower bowl seats.

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 1, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good deal.

The second tier seats in the Carrier Dome are basically the same as upper level lower bowl tickets in other venues so they’re basically the same thing. I liked the idea of the article. I’ve always been interested what other school’s attendance numbers and ticket prices/deals were. I never really had the motivation to look into all of them though.

SHASHASHAA!!!

by RustyShackleford on Aug 1, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

"If you want to sit on the sidelines in the lower deck of a Big East arena for a full season, you'd generally better be ready to shell out between $420 (Syracuse)"

Im not sure exactly which seats you are referring to, but that’s just the printed price on the tickets. For the primo seats that are truly along the sidelines as well as the seats right behind the bench, I am certain there is a very hefty liscensing fee per seat….I’ve heard the fee is as much as $25K per year per seat. Of course, the tickets are nearly impossible to get and the AD doesnt exactly throw amounts like that on their website but I do know the liscense is insanely high.

by iHateBasketball-onlySchools on Aug 2, 2011 1:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Sidelines, not courtside.

Tickets 25 rows up from center court are still sideline tickets, as opposed to endline tickets (behind the basket) or corner tickets.

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 2, 2011 8:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And while you're here

What’s with the hate for “Basketball Only Schools?”

Also, could you please name some of these mysterious “Basketball ONLY Schools.”

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 2, 2011 8:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty sure Georgetown's participates in the Big East in soccer

Sweet Christmas, I’m defending soccer.

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 2, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I used to go with my grandpa (alum and donor) until he passed.

We did not retain the season tickets, but I do believe there is a scholarship in his name for the school.

by Bush League All Star on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Which school?

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by Brewtown Andy on Aug 2, 2011 8:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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